"You're In Charge" with Glenn Pasch
"You're In Charge" with Glenn Pasch

Episode 104 · 6 months ago

Marc McGurren: Facing Addiction & Winning


In one of our most open and honest episodes, Marc McGurren, Founder and CEO of McGurren Consulting shares his battle with addiction.

Of ten we think of addiction as a weakness or for "losers" but Marc is highly successful and so were the people he met on his journey. Marc talks about how alcohol first was social and then became something to fill a hole. 

What pushed him to address it, how he did it and how he continues to win the battle today. I am so proud of his courage and strength to be so open. 

And as Marc asks in this episode "Are you happy with who you see in the mirror?"

Hope you enjoy this powerful episode.

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About Marc McGurren

Marc McGurren is an entrepreneur at heart and the proud co-founder of McGurren Consulting. Prior to creating McGurren Consulting he was a partner with Brian and Glenn Pasch at PCG Companies and Internet Director for a nine-store auto group in Texas. For almost six years at PCG he helped dealerships all across the country sell more cars through his proven processes, training, and best practices.

Now with the formation of McGurren Consulting with his wife Amber McGurren, they continue their training with clients on an even more intimate level. McGurren Consulting was formed out of the passion of Marc and Amber to help dealers be more profitable in an ever-changing digital world.

Connect with Marc : https://mcgurrenconsulting.com/

About Glenn Pasch:

"Everyone finds themselves in charge at some point in their lives. Yet many of us lack the skills to generate consistent results. My goal is to help you learn the skills to adapt and grow in your personal and business life.”

Glenn Pasch is CEO of PCG Digital, a full service digital marketing agency that specializes in helping businesses create and deliver customers raving, recommending & returning for more. He is author of 2 books including "The Power of Connected Marketing" and has spoken and educated audiences throughout the US and internationally.

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Support for this episode comes from PCG digital. It is anywhere from difficult to impossible to manage every aspect of the changing digital landscape. Rather than trying to do it yourself, why not leave it to an award winning team of Digital Marketing Specialists who have mastered at all connect to your message with more potential customers with PCG digital. Go to PCG digitalcom for more information. Addiction is really tough subject to tackle, part because many of us are embarrassed about addiction, be it to drugs, alcohol myriad of other things, and it's can be a burden that many of us hold inside. But once you step past it and once you admit it and take charge to say I want to change, the journey isn't easy, but on that other side there is a lot of success. And the reason I'm talking about this because in this power episode, Mark mcgarren has been brave enough to share his journey how alcohol took charge of his life, how he was disappointed in who he was, the man he saw in the mirror, and he had to come to terms and make a decision. As he says, do I want to be drunk, mark, or do I want to be sober? Mark and he talks about that journey and it's truly one of the most powerful episodes that I think I've done. So let's dive into this power episode of you're in charge conversations that spark change. With mark mcgurn. Personal Accountability means everything, meaning your whole life, and you have always been very successful, you know, with all the teams...

...you're working with, and you know, you posted something the other day on facebook and I knew about it, but a lot of people, I don't think, did and you were very, in my opinion, very brave to stand out there and basically, you know, shared your taking charge of your personal life in terms of your drinking, some of the personal things that we're going on, and I remember the time when it was happening. You know, you just got to a point of saying, listen, this is no longer no longer acceptable, and the reason why I would love to discuss this is because I'm sure there's a lot of people who have not just that issue but other issues of behavior or be it just I talked down to my people, I yell at my people. I don't think I'm you know, someone was saying the other day when I was interviewing them the leader I was when I started versus fifteen years into it, because I wouldn't have worked for me. I would have acted right, I would have caught out exactly he said. You know, I was that leader that everyone hated because I just yelled until someone helped me understand that and I took account, took charge of that. I took Kem Billy. So walk me through that, because I think there's a lot in it to help a lot of people who one may not understand it. And number two is take charge of a you know how you did take charge, so that they can say, well, I could take charge of x in my life just as well. Absolutely. And so the post that Glenn, you're referring to is, you know, back and I was Bouck in August, that I posted. I'm four years Ober, and my heart behind it was for the longest time I was ashamed of my alcoholism. I was ashamed of this is who I am or what I've become or all the negative connotations that takes on. HMM, and it sucked, you know, to I wasn't proud of I don't want to. I was thirty eight, thirty nine years old and I went to Rehab and that was hard.

That was I'm already getting an emotional now, but it would because you I don't look up and because from the house I'd looking in wonderful marriage, three kids, you know, successful, working with you and Brian, when everything from the outside, I mean literally from the world's perspective, right the world was I wasn't going to the bottle, for lacking a better term, because I was oh my gosh, I got a you know, piece the day you know it was, I started going to the bottle and long story short, is one thing I learned was that they said Rehab was, you know, alcohol will do what it does every single time. It gets you the results you want. Real you know. I mean there's no black and white going if I do this, what's going to happen this time? No, it's it's the most consistent thing in the world because it's going to do what it's a is designed to do. And so I was looking up. I was thirty nine and I remember Glam looking in the mirror and and it didn't happen overnight. Same thing of how you kind of get out of whack from a perspective. You don't just turn an alcoholic of one drinker, one binge drinking. Of you know, I was a bench drinker. I wasn't in the hand. I started drinking more every day, but it's you started turning to that and you it was a slow progress, ramped up by many life events and whatnot, but I remember looking in the mirror going I'm I I recognize Glan and even said to myself, I don't know if I said it out loud, at least said in my head, is I'm living a destructive life. I was aware of I'm on a wrong path. I was aware of that. You know, and praise the Lord that I had an amazing support of wife that walked alongside with me through that. But the whole...

...idea behind that post was to let others know that they're not alone, because for the longest time I did feel alone. HMM, you know. And that's why support groups alcoholic can anonymous, anonymous in a any type of those events are so successful, because you can feel like you're on an island right of something's wrong with me, I'm broke, right that. You're ashamed of that, and even going to a a right you stepping out. It's like you got your family of AA folks right where people share the same struggles, they speak your language. But going outside of that, this stigma, at least in my mind, hmm, was not good and I'll probably get choked up sounding the story, but I remember making that post, and I've been thinking about it a while to post and I posted it on facebook and I glad I. Within ten minutes I called amber, my wife balling the Mina likes comment. I'm proud of you. You're amazing. All this was so overwhelming that I was like, holy crap, it's almost why haven't I shared this sooner? You know in the same thing that you weren't ready to share it. I wasn't ready. But whatever was amazed through that was that I had so many people, Mark, I'm struggling to message me. Yeah, I'm literally going to Rehab in four days. Someone I used to work with mark. I'm in Rehab Right now. Out a gentleman text me. Call me a buddy of mine from many years ago. Mark, I didn't see your post, but someone told me about it. I was in Rehab when you got it and I was able to walk alongside them. Similar lives going. I would have never thought right. I couldn't believe it. You don't...

...know what you're going through, and I think that's the do full circle of full accountability is. I knew the path I was on. I was on the path to literally lose everything in my life, you know. So to let me ask you this because again and and and not, as I had shared with you, I was very proud of you and I, as I said, I remember the whole time. But, you know, taking a step back from alcohol, because that's one but right there's a lot of people who, as we were talking earlier about that gentleman who was a manager, who sees the toxic behavior that they're exhibiting to other people, but they don't know how to get out of it. They don't know how to ask for help. They're seeing that there's turnover in their business, they're seeing that nobody wants to work for them. They see that they're afraid when they walk around. It could be food and your diet, it could be actually, there's a million, you know, just your relationship, you know, with your wife or husband, and you're out doing things you shouldn't be doing and you're ashamed and it's so the question would be for that someone who's feeling that right now. How? What? What was the you know, was there a trigger that finally said this is it? Was it someone else? What's the one where you finally said, I can't go down because I'm from that? Listen, I have three brothers who are, you know, alcoholics. Have Gone through it and they've been sober and I'm so proud of them as well. So I've been around it and I've seen the trigger where it was like you got to the edge. You didn't go completely, but you got there right. So if someone's listening to this and again, it might be because you can talk yourself out of it like, Oh, it's not that bad, oh absolutely. So talk to me about that journey of talking yourself out of it. Again, in your case it was alcohol. Other people may have other things where you're convincing yourself it's not that bad. But what is that point for you? And then what gave you the strength to say I...

...have to change? I'll put it this way. I googled. How do you know if you're drinking too much it? I swear, if you're having to talk yourself out of something, if you're having to go it's not that bad, and if because this is such an I share that because I'm like, oh my gosh, mark, that was a clue for my even my own self. I mean, if you're having to talk yourself through right of that, toxic food, alcohol, relationships, your ability of coaching, you fill in that blank. If you're having to actively mentally walk you through, something's broke. So you so what you're saying there, because there was someone who I had talked to. They were working in a toxic environment. Right, it wasn't good, they knew, but it was that you're almost what it sounds like is you're asking how bad does it have to be? Yes, or you're trying to convince yourself that it's not that bad, right, by googling those things. Well, it's not really bad yet, or it's not bad, or I'm okay, or look at all the good and and and you're trying to either want to say distract yourself, but talk yourself out because maybe there's fear on the other side of the decision or you're fearful of the unknown on the other side of that decision a hundred. I mean that's the key, right, is that it's that fear the unknown. What if I do get help. What's going to happen? What if I make that decision to get out of that Tox or relationship? What's going to happen? Right, you know, and you get stuck and you accept good enough, you accept bad enough because that's what you know right, right, and your...

...conditioned to it, people around your condition to it. But this is the thing is, I knew prior right, it wouldn't like. It wasn't like. I look up and I got drunk one night and all my gosh, gotta go now. There was a it was a constant look in my wife's eyes of hurt things. I said that I don't remember literally. And there are so many times where, if this is the most important person in the world, why am I continuing to hurt this person? Right, why am I? Good and a lot of times at yourself to it. Maybe you're not hurting someone else, but I bet you are. I bet you are, because, let's say you're in that toxics job or you're that toxic leader, you're hurting mothers, you're not making people their best selves or your your best self. And for me there was it. I mean it really was. There was a lineless and became black out drunk on my wife's birthday, you know, and you look up and it's going there's got to be a change, and I knew that it was a no brainer because I was broke, you know, and I hope no one has to get to the point to where there's that chance where I got that buddy that was and rehab that called me and he says my wife wants a divorce. Right, and I think the Lord I wasn't there, because I think he let it go that long. I don't know. You know, distant friend, and I'll say this is that if you're feel like it's bad enough, well, you're listening to this podcast number one, right. So you are seeking to better yourself, if you're seeking if you're having a look up and go, is this...

...who you want to be at is this who you want to be, whatever your age it's is this the relationship? Because I promise you it can be better. Right. Were years on the other side. I I wish I would have got sober many, many years ago. Sober mark is a much happier player. Larry, we got drunk mark over here. It's over. That's what my wife and I call me. I don't want to go back. I don't want to. Yeah, I do miss a good glass of wine. Right, that's really all I mess. But is it worth that? Heck to the know, because I'm in a much happier place. I'm a much better version of WHO I want to be at because I looked in that mirror and going, am I the father? I don't want to be a no, my the husband. Am I just the plain man that I want to be a? Right, no, it's so now, oh, I'm in Utopia. Heck, now, my wife will tell you. No, no, but I'm much better version of WHO I am. I'm sure there's not something in my way and that perspective that's getting me, preventing me from being a now it's all I mean. Now it's my habits. Now it's I'm in control of what I am, you know, and so I think that's a that's a really good point. I don't mean to interrupt, but I like that what you just said is that I'm in control, because there's a lot of people who are in these situations. Whatever the situation is, you know, bad, I'm I'm creating a bad work environment. I work in a bad work environment, relationship, dot, whatever it is, there's the sense of well, I don't have a choice or this is all I know. And I think going back to that fear of, you know, the fear of the other side were actually you know, it's the fear of confronting yourself, I think, because I think when you have to go...

...through this, I've talked to my brothers, even for me, you know, going back to therapy to talk about, you know, things you know. It's just that fear of holding the mirror up to yourself and saying why, why is this happening? Why am I doing this, and taking again going back to accountability and responsibility. That's really what this is. This is true responsibility, that I am the boss that yells at people because that's all I know. Well, then, how do you fix that? Go Out and get training and become the better person. Well, what if it doesn't get the results? Well, you're losing people, you know, and you're wasting time training, retraining people, because you're driving them out the door or be your weight or just, you know, tired of not feeling good. You know, there's people who go on the diets and finally say I'm exercised because I'm sick and tired of feeling sick and tired, right, that type of mentality. So, so, to that point, to the people who are here listening, one say I don't know how to change that or I'm afraid to look inside. Well, what do you say to that? I mean, because again, they have to be ready to do it. But the same moment in time, that is the secret that unlocks the other side, you know. I mean that's you can lead a horse to water, right, good drink, you know. And so this is the thing I'd say to anyone, whatever the situation is, is life can be richer, life can be if you're struggling with those things right, that it can be better. HMM. And is it. You have to be brave and to take that first step. You have to be brave enough to go. Know what, I am tired of drunk Mark Right, unhealthy, filling the black, toxic, you know, whatever that case is. And this is consumed me long enough and I can just have to be that long. It doesn't have to be a long road. HMM. But you gotta sit there and realize there's life on this other side. There's richness, there's fulfillment, there...

...is happiness, there's I mean you're phrase that there's joy. Right, right, exact think joy can come inside your life. Happiness is fleeting, right. I sold a heart car. High Five. That's happy, right. That won't that high won't stay there, but that joy of life, of richness, of fulfillness, of you know, I guess, just knowing who you are and being content with who you are as a person. There's no other things, I perfect? No, but I promise you this is that I'm much more content, I'm much more, you know, much better place now than I was four years ago. Well, I hope you got as much as I get out of this. It really was brave. I can't I cannot say that enough. If you are struggling, please reach out for help. I'm not a medical doctor by any stretch of the imagination, but the alcoholism has touched my life in various ways and so I see it. I see the pain that it causes and but I also see the other side of it. So again I want to thank mark so much for his bravery. Please connect with him. As he said, he's always out there to chat help anyway he can. So with that, thank you again for listening. Please make sure you subscribe to the podcast. Be It on Apple, spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. I do appreciate it. Please make sure you share this out, especially this episode. I'm sure there's a lot of people that could benefit from mark's courage and what he shared with us. Please make sure you rate the podcast and leave a comment. That way it expands the podcast but, more importantly, I hear back what you like and maybe there's someone you would like me to interviewer a topic you would like me to jump on as well. So again, I know there's a lot of...

...places that you can consume your content, but the fact that you spend some time with mark myself means the world to me. Thank you so much. As I say at the end of every episode, you're in charge, but now mark gave you a few more tools to help you become more successful, both personally and professionally. Thank you again. I do appreciate your attention and I'll see you on the next episode.

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