"You're In Charge" with Glenn Pasch
"You're In Charge" with Glenn Pasch

Episode 104 · 2 months ago

Marc McGurren: Facing Addiction & Winning


In one of our most open and honest episodes, Marc McGurren, Founder and CEO of McGurren Consulting shares his battle with addiction.

Of ten we think of addiction as a weakness or for "losers" but Marc is highly successful and so were the people he met on his journey. Marc talks about how alcohol first was social and then became something to fill a hole. 

What pushed him to address it, how he did it and how he continues to win the battle today. I am so proud of his courage and strength to be so open. 

And as Marc asks in this episode "Are you happy with who you see in the mirror?"

Hope you enjoy this powerful episode.

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About Marc McGurren

Marc McGurren is an entrepreneur at heart and the proud co-founder of McGurren Consulting. Prior to creating McGurren Consulting he was a partner with Brian and Glenn Pasch at PCG Companies and Internet Director for a nine-store auto group in Texas. For almost six years at PCG he helped dealerships all across the country sell more cars through his proven processes, training, and best practices.

Now with the formation of McGurren Consulting with his wife Amber McGurren, they continue their training with clients on an even more intimate level. McGurren Consulting was formed out of the passion of Marc and Amber to help dealers be more profitable in an ever-changing digital world.

Connect with Marc : https://mcgurrenconsulting.com/

About Glenn Pasch:

"Everyone finds themselves in charge at some point in their lives. Yet many of us lack the skills to generate consistent results. My goal is to help you learn the skills to adapt and grow in your personal and business life.”

Glenn Pasch is CEO of PCG Digital, a full service digital marketing agency that specializes in helping businesses create and deliver customers raving, recommending & returning for more. He is author of 2 books including "The Power of Connected Marketing" and has spoken and educated audiences throughout the US and internationally.

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Support for this episode comes from PCGdigital. It is anywhere from difficult to impossible to manage every aspect of thechanging digital landscape. Rather than trying to do it yourself, why not leaveit to an award winning team of Digital Marketing Specialists who have mastered at allconnect to your message with more potential customers with PCG digital. Go to PCGdigitalcom for more information. Addiction is really tough subject to tackle, part becausemany of us are embarrassed about addiction, be it to drugs, alcohol myriadof other things, and it's can be a burden that many of us holdinside. But once you step past it and once you admit it and takecharge to say I want to change, the journey isn't easy, but onthat other side there is a lot of success. And the reason I'm talkingabout this because in this power episode, Mark mcgarren has been brave enough toshare his journey how alcohol took charge of his life, how he was disappointedin who he was, the man he saw in the mirror, and hehad to come to terms and make a decision. As he says, doI want to be drunk, mark, or do I want to be sober? Mark and he talks about that journey and it's truly one of the mostpowerful episodes that I think I've done. So let's dive into this power episodeof you're in charge conversations that spark change. With mark mcgurn. Personal Accountability meanseverything, meaning your whole life, and you have always been very successful, you know, with all the teams...

...you're working with, and you know, you posted something the other day on facebook and I knew about it,but a lot of people, I don't think, did and you were very, in my opinion, very brave to stand out there and basically, youknow, shared your taking charge of your personal life in terms of your drinking, some of the personal things that we're going on, and I remember thetime when it was happening. You know, you just got to a point ofsaying, listen, this is no longer no longer acceptable, and thereason why I would love to discuss this is because I'm sure there's a lotof people who have not just that issue but other issues of behavior or beit just I talked down to my people, I yell at my people. Idon't think I'm you know, someone was saying the other day when Iwas interviewing them the leader I was when I started versus fifteen years into it, because I wouldn't have worked for me. I would have acted right, Iwould have caught out exactly he said. You know, I was that leaderthat everyone hated because I just yelled until someone helped me understand that andI took account, took charge of that. I took Kem Billy. So walkme through that, because I think there's a lot in it to helpa lot of people who one may not understand it. And number two istake charge of a you know how you did take charge, so that theycan say, well, I could take charge of x in my life justas well. Absolutely. And so the post that Glenn, you're referring tois, you know, back and I was Bouck in August, that Iposted. I'm four years Ober, and my heart behind it was for thelongest time I was ashamed of my alcoholism. I was ashamed of this is whoI am or what I've become or all the negative connotations that takes on. HMM, and it sucked, you know, to I wasn't proud ofI don't want to. I was thirty eight, thirty nine years old andI went to Rehab and that was hard.

That was I'm already getting an emotionalnow, but it would because you I don't look up and because fromthe house I'd looking in wonderful marriage, three kids, you know, successful, working with you and Brian, when everything from the outside, I meanliterally from the world's perspective, right the world was I wasn't going to thebottle, for lacking a better term, because I was oh my gosh,I got a you know, piece the day you know it was, Istarted going to the bottle and long story short, is one thing I learnedwas that they said Rehab was, you know, alcohol will do what itdoes every single time. It gets you the results you want. Real youknow. I mean there's no black and white going if I do this,what's going to happen this time? No, it's it's the most consistent thing inthe world because it's going to do what it's a is designed to do. And so I was looking up. I was thirty nine and I rememberGlam looking in the mirror and and it didn't happen overnight. Same thing ofhow you kind of get out of whack from a perspective. You don't justturn an alcoholic of one drinker, one binge drinking. Of you know,I was a bench drinker. I wasn't in the hand. I started drinkingmore every day, but it's you started turning to that and you it wasa slow progress, ramped up by many life events and whatnot, but Iremember looking in the mirror going I'm I I recognize Glan and even said tomyself, I don't know if I said it out loud, at least saidin my head, is I'm living a destructive life. I was aware ofI'm on a wrong path. I was aware of that. You know,and praise the Lord that I had an amazing support of wife that walked alongsidewith me through that. But the whole...

...idea behind that post was to letothers know that they're not alone, because for the longest time I did feelalone. HMM, you know. And that's why support groups alcoholic can anonymous, anonymous in a any type of those events are so successful, because youcan feel like you're on an island right of something's wrong with me, I'mbroke, right that. You're ashamed of that, and even going to aa right you stepping out. It's like you got your family of AA folksright where people share the same struggles, they speak your language. But goingoutside of that, this stigma, at least in my mind, hmm,was not good and I'll probably get choked up sounding the story, but Iremember making that post, and I've been thinking about it a while to postand I posted it on facebook and I glad I. Within ten minutes Icalled amber, my wife balling the Mina likes comment. I'm proud of you. You're amazing. All this was so overwhelming that I was like, holycrap, it's almost why haven't I shared this sooner? You know in thesame thing that you weren't ready to share it. I wasn't ready. Butwhatever was amazed through that was that I had so many people, Mark,I'm struggling to message me. Yeah, I'm literally going to Rehab in fourdays. Someone I used to work with mark. I'm in Rehab Right now. Out a gentleman text me. Call me a buddy of mine from manyyears ago. Mark, I didn't see your post, but someone told meabout it. I was in Rehab when you got it and I was ableto walk alongside them. Similar lives going. I would have never thought right.I couldn't believe it. You don't...

...know what you're going through, andI think that's the do full circle of full accountability is. I knew thepath I was on. I was on the path to literally lose everything inmy life, you know. So to let me ask you this because againand and and not, as I had shared with you, I was veryproud of you and I, as I said, I remember the whole time. But, you know, taking a step back from alcohol, because that'sone but right there's a lot of people who, as we were talking earlierabout that gentleman who was a manager, who sees the toxic behavior that they'reexhibiting to other people, but they don't know how to get out of it. They don't know how to ask for help. They're seeing that there's turnoverin their business, they're seeing that nobody wants to work for them. Theysee that they're afraid when they walk around. It could be food and your diet, it could be actually, there's a million, you know, justyour relationship, you know, with your wife or husband, and you're outdoing things you shouldn't be doing and you're ashamed and it's so the question wouldbe for that someone who's feeling that right now. How? What? Whatwas the you know, was there a trigger that finally said this is it? Was it someone else? What's the one where you finally said, Ican't go down because I'm from that? Listen, I have three brothers whoare, you know, alcoholics. Have Gone through it and they've been soberand I'm so proud of them as well. So I've been around it and I'veseen the trigger where it was like you got to the edge. Youdidn't go completely, but you got there right. So if someone's listening tothis and again, it might be because you can talk yourself out of itlike, Oh, it's not that bad, oh absolutely. So talk to meabout that journey of talking yourself out of it. Again, in yourcase it was alcohol. Other people may have other things where you're convincing yourselfit's not that bad. But what is that point for you? And thenwhat gave you the strength to say I...

...have to change? I'll put itthis way. I googled. How do you know if you're drinking too muchit? I swear, if you're having to talk yourself out of something,if you're having to go it's not that bad, and if because this issuch an I share that because I'm like, oh my gosh, mark, thatwas a clue for my even my own self. I mean, ifyou're having to talk yourself through right of that, toxic food, alcohol,relationships, your ability of coaching, you fill in that blank. If you'rehaving to actively mentally walk you through, something's broke. So you so whatyou're saying there, because there was someone who I had talked to. Theywere working in a toxic environment. Right, it wasn't good, they knew,but it was that you're almost what it sounds like is you're asking howbad does it have to be? Yes, or you're trying to convince yourself thatit's not that bad, right, by googling those things. Well,it's not really bad yet, or it's not bad, or I'm okay,or look at all the good and and and you're trying to either want tosay distract yourself, but talk yourself out because maybe there's fear on the otherside of the decision or you're fearful of the unknown on the other side ofthat decision a hundred. I mean that's the key, right, is thatit's that fear the unknown. What if I do get help. What's goingto happen? What if I make that decision to get out of that Toxor relationship? What's going to happen? Right, you know, and youget stuck and you accept good enough, you accept bad enough because that's whatyou know right, right, and your...

...conditioned to it, people around yourcondition to it. But this is the thing is, I knew prior right, it wouldn't like. It wasn't like. I look up and I got drunkone night and all my gosh, gotta go now. There was ait was a constant look in my wife's eyes of hurt things. I saidthat I don't remember literally. And there are so many times where, ifthis is the most important person in the world, why am I continuing tohurt this person? Right, why am I? Good and a lot oftimes at yourself to it. Maybe you're not hurting someone else, but Ibet you are. I bet you are, because, let's say you're in thattoxics job or you're that toxic leader, you're hurting mothers, you're not makingpeople their best selves or your your best self. And for me therewas it. I mean it really was. There was a lineless and became blackout drunk on my wife's birthday, you know, and you look upand it's going there's got to be a change, and I knew that itwas a no brainer because I was broke, you know, and I hope noone has to get to the point to where there's that chance where Igot that buddy that was and rehab that called me and he says my wifewants a divorce. Right, and I think the Lord I wasn't there,because I think he let it go that long. I don't know. Youknow, distant friend, and I'll say this is that if you're feel likeit's bad enough, well, you're listening to this podcast number one, right. So you are seeking to better yourself, if you're seeking if you're having alook up and go, is this...

...who you want to be at isthis who you want to be, whatever your age it's is this the relationship? Because I promise you it can be better. Right. Were years onthe other side. I I wish I would have got sober many, manyyears ago. Sober mark is a much happier player. Larry, we gotdrunk mark over here. It's over. That's what my wife and I callme. I don't want to go back. I don't want to. Yeah,I do miss a good glass of wine. Right, that's really allI mess. But is it worth that? Heck to the know, because I'min a much happier place. I'm a much better version of WHO Iwant to be at because I looked in that mirror and going, am Ithe father? I don't want to be a no, my the husband.Am I just the plain man that I want to be a? Right,no, it's so now, oh, I'm in Utopia. Heck, now, my wife will tell you. No, no, but I'm much better versionof WHO I am. I'm sure there's not something in my way andthat perspective that's getting me, preventing me from being a now it's all Imean. Now it's my habits. Now it's I'm in control of what Iam, you know, and so I think that's a that's a really goodpoint. I don't mean to interrupt, but I like that what you justsaid is that I'm in control, because there's a lot of people who arein these situations. Whatever the situation is, you know, bad, I'm I'mcreating a bad work environment. I work in a bad work environment,relationship, dot, whatever it is, there's the sense of well, Idon't have a choice or this is all I know. And I think goingback to that fear of, you know, the fear of the other side wereactually you know, it's the fear of confronting yourself, I think,because I think when you have to go...

...through this, I've talked to mybrothers, even for me, you know, going back to therapy to talk about, you know, things you know. It's just that fear of holding themirror up to yourself and saying why, why is this happening? Why amI doing this, and taking again going back to accountability and responsibility.That's really what this is. This is true responsibility, that I am theboss that yells at people because that's all I know. Well, then,how do you fix that? Go Out and get training and become the betterperson. Well, what if it doesn't get the results? Well, you'relosing people, you know, and you're wasting time training, retraining people,because you're driving them out the door or be your weight or just, youknow, tired of not feeling good. You know, there's people who goon the diets and finally say I'm exercised because I'm sick and tired of feelingsick and tired, right, that type of mentality. So, so,to that point, to the people who are here listening, one say Idon't know how to change that or I'm afraid to look inside. Well,what do you say to that? I mean, because again, they haveto be ready to do it. But the same moment in time, thatis the secret that unlocks the other side, you know. I mean that's youcan lead a horse to water, right, good drink, you know. And so this is the thing I'd say to anyone, whatever the situationis, is life can be richer, life can be if you're struggling withthose things right, that it can be better. HMM. And is it. You have to be brave and to take that first step. You haveto be brave enough to go. Know what, I am tired of drunkMark Right, unhealthy, filling the black, toxic, you know, whatever thatcase is. And this is consumed me long enough and I can justhave to be that long. It doesn't have to be a long road.HMM. But you gotta sit there and realize there's life on this other side. There's richness, there's fulfillment, there...

...is happiness, there's I mean you'rephrase that there's joy. Right, right, exact think joy can come inside yourlife. Happiness is fleeting, right. I sold a heart car. HighFive. That's happy, right. That won't that high won't stay there, but that joy of life, of richness, of fulfillness, of youknow, I guess, just knowing who you are and being content with whoyou are as a person. There's no other things, I perfect? No, but I promise you this is that I'm much more content, I'm muchmore, you know, much better place now than I was four years ago. Well, I hope you got as much as I get out of this. It really was brave. I can't I cannot say that enough. Ifyou are struggling, please reach out for help. I'm not a medical doctorby any stretch of the imagination, but the alcoholism has touched my life invarious ways and so I see it. I see the pain that it causesand but I also see the other side of it. So again I wantto thank mark so much for his bravery. Please connect with him. As hesaid, he's always out there to chat help anyway he can. Sowith that, thank you again for listening. Please make sure you subscribe to thepodcast. Be It on Apple, spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. I do appreciate it. Please make sure you share this out, especiallythis episode. I'm sure there's a lot of people that could benefit from mark'scourage and what he shared with us. Please make sure you rate the podcastand leave a comment. That way it expands the podcast but, more importantly, I hear back what you like and maybe there's someone you would like meto interviewer a topic you would like me to jump on as well. Soagain, I know there's a lot of...

...places that you can consume your content, but the fact that you spend some time with mark myself means the worldto me. Thank you so much. As I say at the end ofevery episode, you're in charge, but now mark gave you a few moretools to help you become more successful, both personally and professionally. Thank youagain. I do appreciate your attention and I'll see you on the next episode.

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